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	<title>Comments on: Debate of the Day: We&#8217;re Kickstarting Movies Now?</title>
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		<title>By: David R</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701558</link>
		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an incredibly thorny issue, partially because the allure of fan-financing is a very strong one. Fans getting to decide what gets made for them? How can you pass that deal up? (There&#039;s a debate here to be had about the artists&#039; choice, but that&#039;s not strictly on topic)

Where I get concerned (there are a couple of things, but this one mainly) is that this won&#039;t take long to turn into a &quot;help rich people take your money some more&quot; type of situation. Sure, the fans can finance whatever they want, but celebrities and major corporations will always have the upper hand in terms of sheer visibility. If I can budget out $200 bucks in the first half of the year for projects like this, how likely is it that I&#039;ll find the small-but-great web series or brilliant indie projects if there&#039;s attention-sucking sinkholes like this littering the landscape?

If this works, I&#039;d be expecting a lot less of what Kickstarter was probably intended for in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an incredibly thorny issue, partially because the allure of fan-financing is a very strong one. Fans getting to decide what gets made for them? How can you pass that deal up? (There&#8217;s a debate here to be had about the artists&#8217; choice, but that&#8217;s not strictly on topic)</p>
<p>Where I get concerned (there are a couple of things, but this one mainly) is that this won&#8217;t take long to turn into a &#8220;help rich people take your money some more&#8221; type of situation. Sure, the fans can finance whatever they want, but celebrities and major corporations will always have the upper hand in terms of sheer visibility. If I can budget out $200 bucks in the first half of the year for projects like this, how likely is it that I&#8217;ll find the small-but-great web series or brilliant indie projects if there&#8217;s attention-sucking sinkholes like this littering the landscape?</p>
<p>If this works, I&#8217;d be expecting a lot less of what Kickstarter was probably intended for in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a huge Veronica Mars fan, but I would never donate to the kickstarter. I will gladly pay the price for a ticket, multiple times if it&#039;s a good movie, but that&#039;s as far as I&#039;ll go. Warner bros. (12 billion dollars in revenue) now gets to make a2 million dollar movie that they paid absolutely nothing for and reap in ALL the revenue. They&#039;re not going to hand out the money to the original investors or anything like that. This sets a scary precedent for movie studios that says the people that buy the tickets will also pay to make the movie and that idea just scares me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a huge Veronica Mars fan, but I would never donate to the kickstarter. I will gladly pay the price for a ticket, multiple times if it&#8217;s a good movie, but that&#8217;s as far as I&#8217;ll go. Warner bros. (12 billion dollars in revenue) now gets to make a2 million dollar movie that they paid absolutely nothing for and reap in ALL the revenue. They&#8217;re not going to hand out the money to the original investors or anything like that. This sets a scary precedent for movie studios that says the people that buy the tickets will also pay to make the movie and that idea just scares me.</p>
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		<title>By: David Forck</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701545</link>
		<dc:creator>David Forck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly I&#039;m not a big fan of big studios using Kickstarter.  They&#039;ve got the revenue they need to put it out there and have it generate it&#039;s own cash flow.  Kickstarter should be for the indie groups that don&#039;t have the huge bank of revenue to float projects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I&#8217;m not a big fan of big studios using Kickstarter.  They&#8217;ve got the revenue they need to put it out there and have it generate it&#8217;s own cash flow.  Kickstarter should be for the indie groups that don&#8217;t have the huge bank of revenue to float projects.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Lee Zimmerman</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701531</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Lee Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m of two minds on this whole subject.  I actually tried debating a few others on another site yesterday when this whole news broke, but I got tired of getting flamed and gave up.  Here&#039;s my points as best as I can make &#039;em:

(1) I&#039;m a tried &amp; true capitalist, so I support anyone&#039;s right to get a project like this made, but ...

(2) This really smacks of feigned theatricality b/c these two have been very vocal about bringing this back FOR YEARS, so methinks some of this is the end result of web-nerds being &#039;spun&#039; to think they did it.

Now, that said, I still think it&#039;ll fail in much the same way the FIREFLY movie really didn&#039;t get new life to that whole franchise.  (Yes, maybe it&#039;ll survive in marketing tie-ins like books or comics or Apps or what-have-you.)  But, at the end of the day, no studio exec is going to greenlight a property that doesn&#039;t have dollar signs showing in his (or her) eyes.

I&#039;d much rather they take their $2M -- assuming it all gets collected -- and produce some way-terrific web content (something like ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT is doing with Netflix) and then show an industry how to transfer that property (a cult-followed TV show) to a web-followed one b/c then a major studio might (might!) pick it up and see something smart is done with it.

In ways, this whole &#039;finance it ourselves&#039; thing really smacks of the whole &#039;own it yourself&#039; phenomenon that took over the comics industry in the early 90&#039;s.  While there were some good properties that came out of it, there was an awful lot of crap, too.  Some folks NEED the studio system in order to make something of exceptional quality while others can prove they can do something outside the box.  Say what you might but VERONICA MARS was never anything more than a critical hit (don&#039;t EVEN get me started on the whole &quot;Well, it would&#039;ve been bigger if it had been on a major network&quot; because now YOU&#039;RE the one who&#039;s delusional).  Sometimes it pays to swallow the blue pill; sometimes you&#039;re better off with the red.

That&#039;s just my two cents.  I tried the show and didn&#039;t much care for it; couldn&#039;t say why, per se, I just didn&#039;t see it all that interesting.  I can&#039;t see why that got me flamed to Holy Hell yesterday (not here, but elsewhere).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of two minds on this whole subject.  I actually tried debating a few others on another site yesterday when this whole news broke, but I got tired of getting flamed and gave up.  Here&#8217;s my points as best as I can make &#8216;em:</p>
<p>(1) I&#8217;m a tried &amp; true capitalist, so I support anyone&#8217;s right to get a project like this made, but &#8230;</p>
<p>(2) This really smacks of feigned theatricality b/c these two have been very vocal about bringing this back FOR YEARS, so methinks some of this is the end result of web-nerds being &#8216;spun&#8217; to think they did it.</p>
<p>Now, that said, I still think it&#8217;ll fail in much the same way the FIREFLY movie really didn&#8217;t get new life to that whole franchise.  (Yes, maybe it&#8217;ll survive in marketing tie-ins like books or comics or Apps or what-have-you.)  But, at the end of the day, no studio exec is going to greenlight a property that doesn&#8217;t have dollar signs showing in his (or her) eyes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather they take their $2M &#8212; assuming it all gets collected &#8212; and produce some way-terrific web content (something like ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT is doing with Netflix) and then show an industry how to transfer that property (a cult-followed TV show) to a web-followed one b/c then a major studio might (might!) pick it up and see something smart is done with it.</p>
<p>In ways, this whole &#8216;finance it ourselves&#8217; thing really smacks of the whole &#8216;own it yourself&#8217; phenomenon that took over the comics industry in the early 90&#8242;s.  While there were some good properties that came out of it, there was an awful lot of crap, too.  Some folks NEED the studio system in order to make something of exceptional quality while others can prove they can do something outside the box.  Say what you might but VERONICA MARS was never anything more than a critical hit (don&#8217;t EVEN get me started on the whole &#8220;Well, it would&#8217;ve been bigger if it had been on a major network&#8221; because now YOU&#8217;RE the one who&#8217;s delusional).  Sometimes it pays to swallow the blue pill; sometimes you&#8217;re better off with the red.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just my two cents.  I tried the show and didn&#8217;t much care for it; couldn&#8217;t say why, per se, I just didn&#8217;t see it all that interesting.  I can&#8217;t see why that got me flamed to Holy Hell yesterday (not here, but elsewhere).</p>
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		<title>By: Starving African Kid</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701497</link>
		<dc:creator>Starving African Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 16:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for nothing guys. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for nothing guys. <img src='http://unrealitymag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Javier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PUSHING DAISIES!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PUSHING DAISIES!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701482</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come on Sarah Connor Chronicles!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Sarah Connor Chronicles!</p>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701480</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve ever watched Veronica Mars - but decided to chip in $10. Hopefully gives me a little bit of good karma - if this thing is successful, who knows whats next... Firefly??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ve ever watched Veronica Mars &#8211; but decided to chip in $10. Hopefully gives me a little bit of good karma &#8211; if this thing is successful, who knows whats next&#8230; Firefly??</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitrios</title>
		<link>http://unrealitymag.com/index.php/2013/03/14/debate-of-the-day-were-kickstarting-movies-now/#comment-701472</link>
		<dc:creator>Dimitrios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fucking loved veronica mars, gave $35.00 minutes after hearing about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fucking loved veronica mars, gave $35.00 minutes after hearing about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re wrong about Michael Bay and Transformers 4, if the studio said&quot;run a Kickstarter campaign to gauge interest&quot; then it would surely flop because 9/10 people wouldn&#039;t stump up the cash for 2 hours of non-stop explosions. Transformers 4 would then be dead and the assault on our collective childhoods would end. The same is true for TMNT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wrong about Michael Bay and Transformers 4, if the studio said&#8221;run a Kickstarter campaign to gauge interest&#8221; then it would surely flop because 9/10 people wouldn&#8217;t stump up the cash for 2 hours of non-stop explosions. Transformers 4 would then be dead and the assault on our collective childhoods would end. The same is true for TMNT.</p>
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